In a candid conversation with Nyla Symone on the latest episode of We Need To Talk, legendary Houston rapper Paul Wall opens up about the pivotal moments in his career and the Houston hip-hop scene that helped shape the sound of Texas rap. From early days in Swishahouse to his rise to prominence with “Still Tippin’,” Paul Wall reveals never-before-heard stories behind his music and collaborations, as well as his business ventures with Johnny Dang.
Paul Wall’s journey in the Houston rap scene began in the underground world of mixtapes. Initially part of the Swishahouse collective, a label that started as a mixtape series before transitioning into a full-fledged record label, Paul recalls how key figures like T Ferris (now Megan Thee Stallion’s manager) played a major role in his early success. Despite initial skepticism from others, Ferris offered Paul a record deal, setting the stage for his career to take off.
Perhaps the most iconic track in Paul Wall’s catalog, “Still Tippin’,” almost never came to be. After receiving a CD of beats from T Ferris for the The Day Hell Broke Loose Part 2 compilation, Paul was initially hesitant about a violin-based track that would eventually become the anthem for the Houston rap scene. At first, he wasn’t sure how he could contribute to the beat, and other artists shared his reluctance. Multiple versions of the song were produced, including a rough draft with different artists and even a Christmas version using the Nutcracker sample. However, with Slim Thug and Mike Jones joining forces, the track was finalized, and the rest is history.
Paul Wall reflects on the early struggles of Houston’s rap scene, noting that the city wasn’t always taken seriously. Despite its reputation for cows and Southern hospitality, Houston’s musical culture was heavily influenced by local church traditions, blues, and a strong car culture that led to the iconic bass-heavy sound synonymous with Texas rap. With a nod to legendary producers like Mike Dean and Scarface, Paul explains how Houston’s sound was shaped by a deep-rooted musical heritage, evolving into the vibrant hub for rap talent that it is today.
Paul Wall’s music continues to evolve with the upcoming release of his new album, Once Upon a Grind. Partnering with DJ Fresh and producers G Luck and B-on, the album promises features from Slim Thug, Zero, Lil Keke, and Cartel Bo. Paul also talks about how regional sounds in Texas have shifted over time, especially with newer artists like Sauce Walker introducing fresh styles to the Houston rap scene.
With Texas rap continuing to expand globally, Paul Wall highlights the achievements of artists like Megan Thee Stallion, Travis Scott, and Don Toliver in bringing Texas hip-hop to the forefront. Despite Houston’s sometimes slow support for its own talent, Paul emphasizes the unique collaborative spirit within the state, where seasoned artists mentor and support new talents like That Mexican OT. This merging of old and new represents the evolution of Texas rap while staying true to its roots.
Towards the end of the interview, Paul Wall shares reflections on the pressures of aging and fatherhood, offering advice to his younger self. He emphasizes the importance of embracing different perspectives and learning from both successes and failures. Paul also discusses missed opportunities, such as a potential collaboration with Ghostface Killah, underscoring the importance of seizing every opportunity that comes your way.
